Posts by Country Joe

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VietNam Era

by Tina in

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reading country joe's posts got me thinkingabout the vietnam war era folks here.. what were you doing at that time?.

as jw's and non-jw's,what were your feelings about the war?.

are you a vet or child of one?.

Country Joe

Hi Tina,
Answering Talley and following old Country Joe and the Fish around on his links was a real Time Warp.
Man! All the old feelings of the time are still indelibly printed.

Imagine, Country Joe, the outspoken Revolutionary with an FBI file and CANCELLED from the Ed Sullivan Show because of "Gimme an F.U.C.K" intro to his "Fixin on Dying" tune at some concert, has a website nowadays.
We just saw the Grassroots at our local Fair. After 35 years those guys are still beating the concert circuit. It was great.

As for myself, I was pretty well torn apart. On the one hand I got my father and uncles that did their part in WW2.
My dad was a ground crew Chief with the 8th Air Force assigned to keeping their designated B17, "The Darling Lee", flying out of England. It would come in all shot to shit and they would fix it up and get it back in the air for yet another mission. I've got photos of my dad when he went in while still but 21 or 22 and after 2 years in England his photos looked like he aged over 10 years. And he wasn't even getting shot at.
He succumbed to cancer at 40 when I was 11.

Now here is another war with the good guys fighting the evil bad guys?
Thats how my uncles viewed it anyway. Especially one in particular who served in the South Pacific Navy.
Anyway, defecting to Canada for political asylum wasn't an option for me. I'd forever be a Benedict Arnold in the family memoirs.
Fortunately, I had a great history teacher my senior year High School(class of 68)He really gave us the whole Vietnam political scene and early US involvement up to the present garbage currently in motion.
Anyway, running down to the local recruitment office for the Army or Marines and signing up so I could blow up the evil bad Commie Guys fixin on invading our Western Seaboard, was also not an option either.
After all, it was a CIVIL WAR, with hostilities stretching back for centuries.
Man! The Government Propaganda in those days.
"If WE Don't Stop the Godless Commies in S.E.Asia, They will soon be invading Our Western Seaboard and Raping your Mothers and Sisters."
So I did the next best thing and stayed in school using the "School Deferment" option.
My step brother Bill still cracks me up. He opted for a more permanent deferment by taking advantage of the military's "NO GAYS ALLOWED" rule. He managed to pull it off too(pardon the pun.)
Always meant to press him for more details on his "Final Exam" as it were, but decided the less I knew the better.
Shows what sort of convictions I got, Eh What? I'd a rather got shot at.
Nonetheless, the Government still made sure that if we deferment types screwed up our deferments, they were standing by with a BIG SMILE waitin for us with wide open arms.
We still had to go through the physical and testing process to make sure we were fit enough to be shot at. Naturally I passed with flying colors.
It was pretty strange seeing just about everybody I've ever known since kindergarden mostly naked and herded like cattle.
Again my abysmal lack of convictions showed threw during the written exam part. Right next to me was the classic full bearded hippie type looking a bit like John Lennon complete with head band and round eyeglasses, who at the start of the test went and sat on the floor right next to me and started doing some Mantra Chanting. "OMMMMMMMM" "OMMMMMMMM"
Back then, I'm thinking "Heres a Nutjob"
Nowadays I'm thinking "What a Genius"
Well, this freaked out the examiners and they ended up dragging him off. I recall the poor guy's feet didn't even touch the ground all the way out the door. Later we caught glimpses of him as they dragged him through with the rest of us, like during the physical. The examiners had a time of it making this guy bend over and say "AHHH". I think it took like four of them to do it.
Wonder whatever happened to that guy!
Well I bounced around one school to another.
Went to a lot of great Rallys.
The Three Day Nonstop Concerts on campuses like at U Of Mass were great.
I decided that Woodstock was too far to drive, but my sister managed to make it. She spent most of it stuck in traffic though, but she still has the ticket stub and a T-Shirt.
Never bothered me too much for not going cuz I hate traffic and the weather sucked, but still, who knew, as concerts go, that it would never be equalled.
It would be Cool to be able to say, "Yep! I was at Woodstock".
Any Woodstock Folk here?

Well the Party Scene was starting to mess with my Deferment Scene and the Government Guys started following me around with a butterfly net.
Then somebody got the bright idea about having a Lottery.
I suspect that it was more to ease the G-Guy's concience more than to give us Cannon Fodder types a chance at winning or losing.
Like "HEY!!! It ain't our fault you drew a lousy number"

Anyways, I pulled a number 202 which weren't bad but not great either since they were hauling off 40 or so numbers at a time. It weren't going to take too long to get to good old 202. Sure enough, in no time at all they got to number 195.
So I thought, Well, Here it is! I ain't going to Canada and My School Deferment is Toast. I think I figured that by the time I got into the Air Force or the Navy which I think were pretty jammed up that my number would be up anyway.
So I decided to PARTY!!!
I ended up hitchiking all over the Hawaiian Islands and up and down the California coast and visiting my 4-F Defered cousin in Arizona.
Every month they stayed on 195 was another month reprieve to PARTY some more.
As it turned out, they stayed on 195 till the end of the year, then they had the Second Lottery. So I was basically saved unless they killed off all the Second Lottery guys in which case they would have picked up where they left off in the First Lottery or hopefully by then had a Third Lottery.
So there you go!
Man! That was a long war.
Lost some good friends and neighbors.

Joe, Who still thinks Tie Dye is still HIP and who can still just barely make it into an old pair of Bell Bottoms. Not bad for an Old Hippy, Eh What?

26

Well, I have NEVER....

by AGuest in

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in all my almost 42 years... received so much attention... good and bad.

never, i promise you.

and truly... all ya'll... i am neither 'worthy'... nor 'deserving' of it... good... or bad.. have you all noticed just how many times the name "shelby" has been used in the past, say 24 hours?

Country Joe

Hey Tallyman
Nope! Not me! That be Country Joe McDonald.
I do play the guitar though, and I might even come up with a bandana and some bell bottoms if I look hard enough, and I did scream and holler a lot at the War back then.
I spent the better part of my youth avoiding the draft.
And you forgot the best part of,
"I Feel Like I'm Fixin To Die Rag"

"WHOPEEE! WE'RE ALL GOIN TO DIE"

GIMME AN F
GIMME AN I
GIMME AN S
GIMME AN H

WHATS THAT SPELL!
FISH!!!
WHATS THAT SPELL!
FISH!!!

Come on all of you big strong men
Uncle Sam needs your help again,
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down south in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun
Were gonna have a whole lotta fun

And its one two three
WhaT are we fightin for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn
Next stop is Vietnam,
And its five, six, seven
Open up the pearly gates
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
WHOPEEE!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

Well come on generals, lets move fast,
Your big chance has come at last,
Gotta go out and get those reds,
The only good commie is the one who's dead,
And you know that peace can only be won,
When we've blown em all to kingdom come.

Chorus!

Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this war au go-go,
There's plenty good money to be made,
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They do it on the Viet Cong.

Chorus!

Well, come on mothers throughout the land
Pack your boys off to Vietnam,
Come on fathers, don't hesitate
Send em off before its too late,
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box

Chorus!
WHOPPEE!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE

Check out Country Joe's site at www.countryjoe.com
A true revolutionary

Later

52

Need new drink!!!

by tattoogrl333 in

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ok this has nothing to do with being a jw or anything of that nature but it is important to me and i need some help:.

here goes i have been drinking rum and coke (bacardi) since i can remember and finally realized that maybe it is contributing to my severly harsh hangovers.

so i went on a quest in search of a new drink.

Country Joe

OK! Joe's Bar and Grill is OPEN

I trust you have, by now, properly disposed of the aforementioned Vermuth? ALLriiiight!!!

From George Herter's
"Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices"
Copyright 1960-1962

"The Authentic Martini"

"The martini drink has become America's most popular hard liquor drink for two simple reasons.
1. It gives you more raw alcohol for your money than any other drink and hence more of an alcohol jolt.
2. Americans want an escape from reality and use Martinis as an anesthetic not actually as a drink.(Note to self: Keep in mind for any future field amputations)
"The way Martini drinks are made in America, they are about the poorest excuse for an alcoholic drink that you could possibly find, actually no better than drinking Sterno canned heat strained through bread, the national drink of the bum jungles.(note: Bum Jungles? Remember, George was from Waseca, Minnesota)(note2: Whats the national drink of the Amazon Jungle?)
"Everytime you pick up a magazine some author makes up the name of an American man and says he invented the martini drink. They carefully fail to include any details so you cannot trace the facts at all. Actually they not only do not know the name of the man who invented the martini drink but do not know how to make an authentic martini.(Note: The 60s may have had only 3 or 4 magazines worth mentioning. George may have kept picking up one or two of them. Like, Playboy? and Cosmo?)
"One writer took the name Martiney and said that a man with this name invented the martini and that the first martinis were called Martineys. This is strictly a lie.
The martini drink is strictly German and was invented by J.P.Schwarzendorf, a German music composer born in 1741 and who died in 1816. He composed the operas Lover of Fifteen Years and Pleasures of Love.(note:I Wonder if he was related to Hugh Heffner)
His nickname was "Martini". He invented two drinks which his friends promptly named after his nickname. The first was called "Martini" and here is the correct and original recipe. It is far superior to the slop called and served as Martinis in American bars and homes today".(Note: George was a world traveler, and he KNOWS his American SLOP)

"Take two ounces of Genievre.
Genievre is the original gin first invented in Belgium. (Note to English folk: HEY!!!I'm just the reporter here, so PUT DOWN your Pitchforks.)
It is made of a mash of oatmeal, wheat and barley and flavored with the berries from a small bush called the Geneurier or sandy juniper. English and American made gins are very poor copies of the original Genievre(PITCHFORKS!!! Thankyou!), but must be used as the original Genievre is not imported into North America although still widely drunk in Europe.

Add ONE Ounce of dry white wine such as Rhine wine or Chablis.
Add ONE Sixteenth level teaspoon of Ground Cinnamon.
Stir well and serve as cold as possible."

Note: Yep! You heard right! Ground Cinnamon! Makes the Martini as dry as the Sahara Desert. If you are on a quest for a DRY Martini, your search is over. Your only quest now, is to find out how much cinnamon you can handle)

"You will note there is NO Vermouth, NO olive in the genuine Martini. Vermouth is nothing but a cheap spice flavored white wine and was originally made in order to get rid of wine too poor to sell on its own. The idea of using Vermouth in Martinis was the sole idea of unscrupulous importers of Vermouth who simply wanted to promote its sale and are the kind of people that will do anything to make money. The idea of of putting an olive in a Martini was the idea of Robert Agneau, French New York bartender who put in the olive to try to conceal the raw alcohol taste of Martinis served in the United Stares with the salt in the olive. It helps very little. An American martini is still a drink for alcoholics who want a quick alcohol jolt regardless of taste.

Schwarzendorf invented another drink which he named the Martini Verboten. This is one of the world's great alcohol drinks but never gained any popularity. It was made for the habitual drinker and alcoholic, Schwarzendorf had many friends in this class. This drink tends to calm down a heavy drinker, to get away from the over dry after drinking mouth of a heavy drinker, and it prevents liver damage to the alcoholic as well as nerve damage such as delirium tremens.
Here is the original formula.
Two ounces of Genievre, or gin.
One ounce of apple cider vinegar.(Note: No wonder popularity dived)
Stir well and serve as cold as possible.
(Note: A bit of the hair off the dog that bit you, Eh George?)
(Note2: More gin prevents liver damage? Hmmmmmm)

"The martini found its way to America by isolated music lovers and became popular in the United States over a period of years.
You can verify these facts in the Nouveau Petit Larousee, French Dictionary."

Well there you go!
I must say it is certainly different. I sneak in a twist of lime on occassion. And if you use a bigger glass, its pretty good with a whole bunch of olives. For a conversation piece, add a cocktail onion or two or three. I doubt old Schwarzendorf will care. I don't think George will care either.
Suggestions:
Don't use rotgut gin.
Keep in freezer and chill the wine.
Make up in advance and keep in freezer and add cinnamon on serving.
Serve in frosted glass.
Don't drink and drive.

Now every proper cook book during the height of the "Cold War" wouldn't be complete without this section.

"In Case of a Hydrogen Bomb Attack You Must Know The Ways of the Wilderness to Survive"

"If we have a bomb attack it will be a heavy one with every major city and most of the country wiped out in less than half an hour.
In reading some of the official rot gut put out about survival in case of a bombing attack it shows that the people putting it out have no first hand knowledge of what they are talking about. I am just going to take the time to say a few words about it here as if an attack comes I do not want my friends dying needlessly. I have been through bombings and have talked to people all over Europe that have been bombed out and what I say here are the true facts of the matter and not political dribble.

1. The would be authorities tell you to go into your basement and put up a wood lean to against one wall and get under it. This is the surest way to get killed in a bombing attack and is the thing you must not do. If your home is hit, all the debris will come down on you and you will not be able to get out. If you have city water the water pipes will burst and flood the basement drowning you like rats in a trap. If you have city gas the gas pipes will break and can let out enough gas to kill you especially in such a confined area. The sewer pipes may break in the area if you have city sewage and the sewage gas will back up in the basement and kill you quicker than the furnace gas. Get in any kind of a cave, ditch or valley as far away from buildings as you can and lie on the ground face down. If at all possible get in a cave.

2. The first bombs will knock out all gas lines transportation and electrical lines and the factories controlling them. Food in your deep freez will spoil. If the weather is cold all canned goods will freeze and spoil.

3. Make the following preparations in general as applied to your particular situation.

A. If the weather is cold, have a wood stove that can be set up in an abandoned house or shelter. Wood is usually available. Coal would not be available.

B.If the weather is cold have a reserve of lots of blankets.(Note: Throw in down parkas and quilts and Refrigawear, hats, gloves, boots

C. Have a reserve of food consisting of dried beans, dried peas, dried potatos, dried milk, bacon canned shortening, sugar, peanut butter, powdered coffee, and tea, chocolate, salt, pepper, macaroni, flour and baking powder. Have at least 1000 matches in a waterproof container. In World War 11 matches in some countries were $25.00 a box on the black market when available.
Keep such things as flour, sugar, salt, dried milk, dried potatos in 5 gallon milk cans that have a press fit covers.(Note: Buy a case of Bic Lighters)

D.Have a small .22 caliber rifle and at least 1000 rounds of ammunition. It will kill small game and birds and can be used to protect your home. Bombings bring looting and the looting is done in most all cases by so called friends that live near you. This is what happened in both World War 1 and 2.(Note: Save a loved one! Shoot a friend!)

E.Have six number 1-1/2 traps and two twenty foot coils of woven picture frame wire for snares. Have 100 fish hooks in assorted sizes and 200 yards of nylon fishing line in a variety of weights. The above items can supply your family meat, fowl and fish if properly used.

F.Have a half pint of iodine, a year's supply of laxative and 100 bufferin tablets. If you live in an area where biting flies and mosquitos abound have a years supply of bug dope and ten yards of big net.(Note: Make that about 5000 Ibprophens and years supply of Celobrex)

G. Have 5 one pound cans of tobacco. This is your fortune. If there is any food or material available that you need, the tobacco will get it for you when money will not.(Note: Make that 50 pounds of tobacco and a case of Wild Turkey and lots of rolling papers. I might have to smoke and drink myself to death before the radiation kills me.)

4.When you get away from buildings, stay in a cave for 3 days to avoid radiation fall out.(Right George! Nearest cave is........)

European countries now require that you keep such reserves as they know that if it comes this time all the help you will get will be that which comes from yourself.

To have a reserve of the above is the cheapest kind of insurance. If you never need it give thanks to Christ. If you do need it, it is worth more than anything you have no matter how worldly wealthy you are at the moment."

Joe, (The 60s and 70s, What a Trip! Then came Disco and its been downhill ever since.
And never forget when you see that blinding flash of light to, "DUCK AND COVER")

52

Need new drink!!!

by tattoogrl333 in

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ok this has nothing to do with being a jw or anything of that nature but it is important to me and i need some help:.

here goes i have been drinking rum and coke (bacardi) since i can remember and finally realized that maybe it is contributing to my severly harsh hangovers.

so i went on a quest in search of a new drink.

Country Joe

OK! Heres one for ya'll!

From George Herter's
"Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices"

"How to Make an Authentic Mint Julep"

"The inventor of the mint julep was Albert Johnston, a Confederate General. He was not much of a drinker himself, but served this now famous drink in order to show friends that "mountain dew" or local whiskey could be made quite palatable. He took the name Julep from the ancient French word julep wjich means a medicine to be taken by the mouth made of water and plant gum or crushed leaves.
Here is the original recipe and it has never been equaled. Originally it could only be made in the winter when ice was occasionally available.
Select a good sized catnip leaf(note:Right!This is a Catnip Julep), hold it on the inside of the glass and bruise it severly with a spoon. Fill glass with cracked ice, now pour whiskey into the glass until it is within half an inch of the top.
Take a glass of good water(note: Thats water without chlorine, iron oxides, E-Coli, Cholera, etc.etc.)and add two level teaspoons of sugar to it. Dissolve well. Now fill the glass with the ice and whiskey to the top with the sugar water. Take three good sprigs of catnip with two or three leaves on each and poke well down into the ice. Do not stir.(note: James Bond might like this drink), Sip slowly and do not drink with a straw."

"Catnip is a perennial herb native to Europe and Asia. It was widely planted here originally for curing stomach disorders. It went wild and is found all over the south, middle west and east.

"A genuine mint julep does not require lime water for the ice, or water. Use catnip leaves instead of mint, does not require Bourbon Whiskey and does not require the glass being frosted or made of metal. You can make a much better julep than is served with mint leaves by simply using a half ounce of Creme de Menthe instead of mint leaves."

I like a good Ale myself, so let me know how it is, especially if you use Catnip. If nothing else, you can always serve it to your cat.

Stay tuned for,
"The Authentic Martini Drink"
To prepare yourselves for this one, go find your Vermouth bottle, empty it down the sink, wash out the bottle real good and refill with your favorite Extra Extra Virgin Cold Pressed Olive Oil.
The only thing good about Vermouth is the bottle label.

Joe, wondering if anybody is interested in "How to Make French Soap"

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Well, I have NEVER....

by AGuest in

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in all my almost 42 years... received so much attention... good and bad.

never, i promise you.

and truly... all ya'll... i am neither 'worthy'... nor 'deserving' of it... good... or bad.. have you all noticed just how many times the name "shelby" has been used in the past, say 24 hours?

Country Joe

Hey Shelby
I'm tending to think that all the attention really IS getting to you, not to mention that whole Frank Zappa thing.
I read through your post and I was rather shocked to find that you,
FORGOT TO SAY, "MAY YOU HAVE PEACE"
I for one was rather disturbed by that. I had the thought; Gee! Could Shelby be LOSING her Peace? I hope not! You always seem so Peacefull.

You "lost your legs" cuz your son brought home a BB-gun? I hope you gave him a good admonishment with the classic statement that ALL mothers seem to come up with for that very occassion. "BB-guns will put your eye out"
Yes! Its a proven fact! If one were to take a direct hit squarely in the eye, that it can indeed put out an eye. Of course, the odds are lowered a little by the exiting BB generally going AWAY from the apprentice marksmen toward the generally imagined enemy, in past times an Indian but nowadays no doubt an evil drug dealer, hiding behind a milk carton or empty soup can.
You done good getting rid of the offending weaponry as its a proven fact that next step will be Cap Pistols, then its on to government approved artillary such as M16s and M60 Tanks.
"Johnny! You take that M60 Tank back where you got it this very instant"
You have just saved the countless lives of your neighborhood flora, fauna and registered and non-registered voters.

And speaking about BBs, Shelby, I'm a little concerned with quotes like, "May the undeserved mercy of my God and Father, Jah of Armies...."
Seems like a contradiction in terms to me, don't you think?
"Mercy", "Jah of Armies", See Numbers, Joshua, etc.etc.etc.

Joe, of the BBless class but not too short on 45s. For medicinal purposes only of course.

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Eulogy for My Father

by Farkel in

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on tuesday, august 4, 2001 at 3:42.a.m.

mst, duane floyd checketts, 77 died in his sleep due to complications from pneumonia.

he is survived by his wife bette and two children, douglas checketts, patty smith, and 8 grandchildren.. duane, who was fondly called duke by everyone who knew him was born in farmington, utah on march 8, 1924. his father floyd, was one of 10 children raised in a tiny house built by his own mormon father who immigrated in the early 1860's from birmingham, england.

Country Joe

Farkel
Our deepest sympathies to you for your loss. Thanks for sharing something of your father's life. I think it is important to do that.
Its wonderfull to see how many cyberspace "strangers" who truly care.
As for my wife and I, it was primarily due to your's and others efforts that we are not currently speaking Borg.
Besides our Sympathies, you also have our Thanks.
Our Best and Kindest Regards
Joe

42

Aliens having some fun??

by Okidok in

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this formation appeared as usually suddenly last sunday at wherwell,hampshire.

this can not be called crop circle.

lots of spots are making a pattern of a face.. this image maker is clever whoever it is.. .

Country Joe

Funky,
"If they wanted to communicate with us, surely they would have used the methods they know we use."

You mean like TV and radio?
Right!
After a couple generations of Star Trek, Outer Limits, Twightlight Zone and Flash Gordon reruns and maybe an aniversary special of Orson Wells infamous radio Broadcast about Martians landing and the resultant panic and mayhem in the streets by those thinking it was a REAL broadcast?
Right?
The Aliens know we hate Klingons and Romulans, The Borg and Species 8472 and that most Governments have standing orders to blow up their shit so they can be the first to analyze their technology thereby making them the coolest government on the planet.

Nah! Much more fun to sneak up on the English and mess with their crops.

IF(note the big IF) the time frame can be verified, the compexity of the designs make it obvious that it weren't done by a few Circle Nuts with a ball of string and some plywood with a few hours to kill in the middle of the night fortified with several pints of Guiness or Samuel Smith's.
Even a few days in broad daylight with a whole lot of string a whole bunch of folks stomping their brains out would be a stretch but more realistic.
Actually, it was the aliens that got us mixed up with JWs in the first place. That is to say, I happened to mention one day that I thought earth life forms got kick started by some passing alien ship tripping through the solar system or maybe even crash landed.
The very next day they showed up in force to tell me that there is no way that aliens started up life on earth.
So I says, "How Come"?
And they say, "Cuz the bible doesn't mention it"

Ah well, if these guys are silicone based, and short, with a different DNA helic, it don't look too likely that there will be any intergallactic offspring anytime soon. Eh What?

Joe

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Duns! Logical Positivism

by Country Joe in

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hi dan!.

i came across this logical positivism term and was wondering what your view on it is.

the great philosophers did it as a proffessional career.

Country Joe

Hi Dan!
What it is!
I came across this Logical Positivism term and was wondering what your view on it is. Your philosophic slant is obviously more Metaphyisicaly oriented, but it sounded pretty cool to me.
"Modern school of philosophy that in the 1920s attempted to introduce the methodology and precision of mathematics to the study of philosophy."
"The mathematician, Kurt Gadel, held that metaphysical speculation is nonsensical, and that logic and mathematical propositions are tautological, and that moral and value statements are merely emotive"
Pardon me for a minute while I go look up "Tautological"
Yep! It figures!
"Tautological" see tautologous
OK!
"Tautologous" 1: involving or containing rhetorical tautology; Redundant:
2:true by virtue of its logical form alone."

OK! Forget number 1, but Number 2 sounds about right.

Sounds to me then, if you were to ask old Kurt what 2+2 equals, theres a pretty good chance he would say 4.
I don't get the impression here that old Kurt would say, "WELLLL! Not necessarily cuz we ain't all that sure that the plus sign is really a plus sign even though it looks to be a plus sign, and who is to say what plus really means anyway in the grand scheme of things. A plus sign is nothing more than 2 minus signs at right angles to one another, so really, a plus could actually be a double minus sign which would indicate that 2 minus minus 2 is not a 4 at all but a -2."

Yeah! That works for me. How about you?
No wonder I can never balance the stupid check book. That dang 4 is really a -2. The Bank also verifies this by constantly reminding me that I ain't got any money.

Had a Trig Teach once that was esoterically inclined and did some fancy thing on the board one day to prove that 2+2 really equals 5.
I used his formula in the next test and got an "F" so maybe 2+2=4 after all.
Come to think of it, that famous picture of Albert Einstein standing in front of his blackboard with all sorts of mathematical jive all over it must have a 2 in there somewhere, and no doubt maybe even a 4 or two.
Do you suppose that if 2+2 did NOT actually equal 4 that the A-BOMB would have gone off.
Since the A-Bomb actually did go off, is that not like positive proof
that 2+2 really really does equal 4?
I might even venture to say that the A-Bomb and subsequently the H-Bomb "apodictally prove" that 2+2 is indeed 4.

I was cruising through a list of dead Philosopher guys and came across your namesake. John Duns Scotus(1266-1308)! Any relation?
Looks like he only made it to 42. He must of done a whole lot of thinking in a short time to get a whole system named after him.
For anybody interested, here is a link to Dan's long lost relative.
www.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/scotism.htm

Also came across an interview with your good buddy Saul Kripke.
Its at http://goinside.com/01/2/kripke.html
Interesting!
Q: "Is it negative that Philosophy now is connected to a proffessional career and not the unconditional search for truth it once was?"

Kripke: "Perhaps it never was an unconditional search for truth. The great philosophers did it as a proffessional career. The Medieval philosophers were Monks, but also professors. Descartes was not a professor, but did a lot of teaching."

Q. "Michael Durnmett claims that academics don't have any special duty to be engaged in social questions, but he claims that academics can make their own schedules and may use this privaledge. Do you agree with Durnmett?"

Kripke: "I don't think there is anything special academics can do."

Kripke: "The idea that philosophy should be relavant to life is a modern idea. A lot of philosophy does not have relevance to life."
Kripke claims both Plato and Aristotle did philosophy because of its intrinsic value. But he adds, "Ethics and political philosophy are relevant to life. The intension of philosophy was never to be relevant to life. But ethics and political philosophy can be relevant. Philosophy is a career like other things, but must not necessarily be related to that outside philosophy."
Interesting!
So, Philosophy is mostly just a career and not even relevant to life. And this streight from Kripke, one of the greatest thinkers in modern philosophy.

Well Dan, After reading up a bit on Kripke and the boys, I can see why your so tripped on figuring out if "H2O is Water and if Water is H2O"
You want to be on the "Dead Philosopher List." Right?
Or you want to get an invitation to Kripke's next Metamixer Barbeque Cotillion.
But Hey! Thats Cool! Anything for a buck and all that!
Tell old Saul I said Howdy!

Back in my more younger and idealistic period, I actually took two semesters of Philosophy. The gal that taught it was a real good teacher and smart and interesting. She even learned Russian good enough to moonlight as translator and interpreter. I suppose thats about as good as you can get. She also had a thing for Tetrahedons like it was something mythical like the pyramids.
I enjoyed the hell out it and even got one of my papers read out loud to the class, much to my dismay. Somehow or another, I managed to fit the entire Universe inside of an orange which tends to prove, in Metaphysics, the more weird you are the more likely you will be received. Or NOT! There is always another Metaguy just waiting to tear your paper to shreds just so that he can have a paper that can, in turn, get ripped to shreds by yet anther Metaguy.
But in the end as with all things Metaphysical, NOBODY really knows NOTHING.
As great an old gal that my philosophy teacher was and all, she did have this one habit that got a bit annoying. She was forever saying,"BY THE WAY". I'm sure she did it as a "Force of Habit" and payed it no mind, but it was enough that one started counting at the beginning of the lecture how many times she said "BY THE WAY". I counted enough BTWs to figure she said it on the average 50 times during a 40 minute lecture.
Oh well, thats really nothing since she was well liked and all.
But I did have this chemistry teacher who also by "Force of Habit"
liked to fill up a blackboard with problems, solve them and then erase everthing before you got a chance to figure out what was going on and then fill the blackboard back up again. This guy was a research chemist and had his head so far up his ass he could see daylight from the opposite end. This guy was so NOT a teacher it was pathetic.
Ah Well! Life goes on, Eh What?

Be Cool!
Joe

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Working on a Logical Problem

by dunsscot in

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dear good people of j-w.com,.

i am sitting in my office working on a problem and i need your help.

do you think that these sentences are true?.

Country Joe

Hi Riz,
Is this a fun thread or what?
Amazing what one can learn by dropping in on one of Dunsie's posts.
Why, today I learned what a DipFuck was, and that water is an Objective Phenomenon.
I also learned that those two very things I just learned could also be associative. In other words; A DipFuck is one who claims that water is an Objective Phenomenon.
Pretty Cool, Eh What?
I got a neighbor friend, Tom, who is a Plumber. Tom is a classic New Yorker complete with accent.
I think I'll mosey over there some time soon and say;
"Hey Tom! Did you happen to know that water is an objective phenomenon? This guy name Kripke thought that up while contending for Aristotle's moniker and he eventually had to come to the conclusion that water everywhere on the planet has the same rigid designation, in other words, H2O. Not only that, this same Kripke guy also came to the earth shattering conclusion that your table is NOT made of Ice. You might also be happy to know that you can't apodiclically prove that it ain't made of ice.
So, Tom, what do you think about all that and this Kripke feller?"

Tom is Cool! He'll probably call me a DipFuck.

If the Dunsman ever got around to fixing a leaking water pipe, he will soon discover another phenomenon of water. That is, water's amazing ability for finding a way out of something that is trying real hard to hold it in. For those of us who try so hard to keep water in its designated place of the moment, we might call it a "Pain in the Ass" phenomenon.

I think we should all try this one sometime soon.
The next time you see a bunch of teenagers hanging around the corner store or street lamp, who are also displaying the classic signs of belonging to some minority group due to some sort of familial heritage and background, just go up to them and say;
"Hi guys! I am very interested in the quiddity of your race as well as the whatness of your intelligence as it pertains to your particular minoric tendencies. As you all know, these issues have a broad impact on you young people undergoing social justice in modern society. My brother Firpo Carr knows your issues very well. I am also quite interested in assisting any of you who may be suffering from any of the various forms of mental illness. Mind you, I'm not trying to be monomanical, and I'm not even a Doctor quite yet, but just one who is interested in your quiddity and whatness. Heres my card! Give me a call and we'll do lunch."

This would be a good one for Candid Camera.

Well Riz, I hope you learned almost as much as me today.
See Ya

Farkel,
LOL!!! And if you thought THAT hurt, then I reckon trying to pass a Parodimes will make you pass right out on the floor for sure.
I hear tell that a "Paroquarters Shift" will just flat out Kill.

Here is some "New Age" from 1875. It might be "Old Age" now.
"Theosophy: founded by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky(1831-18910 in 1875.
Blended metaphysical thought, spiritualism, science, Transcendentalism and Quimby's concepts of mental healing power into one vast worldview that allegedly explained the nature of the entire Cosmos"
What a Deal! Finally a religion for One Stop Shoppers. No need to change hats here. You can wear them all at the same time.

Joe

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Working on a Logical Problem

by dunsscot in

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dear good people of j-w.com,.

i am sitting in my office working on a problem and i need your help.

do you think that these sentences are true?.

Country Joe

Hi Larc,
Thanks!
Been meaning to ask you;
What did it feel like to have your "Paradigm Shift" on you?
What gear were you in when it decided to shift?
And did you speed up or slow down when it decided to shift on you?:o)

Ayup! I think Jason has headed for the hills.
I hope he finds some Truth when he gets there.
I think we gave him more than enough to chew on while he makes his journey to them Truth Hills.
He always sounded to me like he just graduated from some sort of Bible Truth College and just like some Idiot Black Belt in Karate, he just couldn't stand to NOT pick a fight to prove how much he has learned; But like most Black Belts eventually find out, they are only JUST BEGINNING to understand.

Concerning the Ark thing, I've been thinking on the tree cutting problem and decided that it would take much longer than one day per tree. Maybe a small tree for a small beam, but closer to a few days for the bigger trees.
I got to remembering when I was in Forestry School, the Prof. gave me and my partner, during our outside Lab Session, a big Beech tree to cut down with our finely honed and wonderfully made high carbon steel ax heads mounted on hickory handles. We were suppose to cut this thing down during our four hour Lab Session, Right? Mind you I was around 18 or 19 and in the best of shape. I had previously got into body building with the intent of surviving a tour of duty in Vietnam in the event I got drafted. Somehow I thought bigger muscels might stop bullets better or something stupid like that.
Anywho, my partner and I started wailing away on this old tree that was around two feet in diameter or better, and from the first swing, I knew we had a problem. The ax would stick and you spent half your time unsticking it. Don't know much about "Gopher Wood", but Beech is tough by nature anyway, and it sure manifested its character on us poor slobs trying to cut it down.
Well, By the end of our Lab session, we had got maybe a third of the way through this poor old tree, and we were to say the least, a couple of tuckered out old boys. That old ax handle ripped up my hands pretty good too, even the callouses I already had going.
We were pretty glad to see the old Prof come along with his trusty chainsaw to finish the job just before heading home.
Now, take the same tree or ANY tree and use a piece of crap BRONZE ax head and see how long it takes.
Then I got to thinking that Noah's boys were all just little babies when he got the word to start building the Ark, which also means he didn't have diddly squat for help. At least for about 12 years or so.
Now try to picture Noah doing what I tried to do when I was young and vigourous.
Well, I'm stll pretty vigourous, just not so young.
I even retained a brain cell or two cuz, nowadays, I got a chainsaw too.
Not doing so hot in the hair cell retention department though.

I read somewhere that the Pacific Northwest Indians might take a couple weeks to down a large Red Cedar using pre whiteman hardware. And that is with a bunch of different folks working at it.
But, alas, Noah should be so lucky to have such trees and such help.

Dunsie taking up Jasons cause?
Nah! The REALITY of it all will kill him dead for sure.
Dunsie's Motto appears to be; "If you can't DAZZLE them with your Brilliance, BAFFEL them with your BULLSHIT".

Joe